Look, I know it's Friday you're just looking for some fun stuff to end the work week with, but we've got a pressing matter to discuss. Let's say you're a new father and a movie fan. When your child is of an appropriate age to start watching movies, in which order will you show him/her the six Star Wars movies? By original release date (Star Wars, Empire, Jedi, Phantom Menace, Clones, Sith) or according to the intra-movie chronology (Phantom Menace, Clones, Sith, Star Wars, Empire, Jedi)?
We're currently leaning toward by original release date, but I can see the advantages of the other way around too. At dinner the other night, a friend asserted that not only was original release date the way to go, but that viewing the original versions on VHS was essential as well. I believe the relevant tapes and a cheapo VCR have been stashed away for this purpose already.
What do you think? How would you approach this? (thx to rehan for the suggested topic)
What you need to do is find Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi on LaserDisc. Highest quality, nothing ruined.
If you show them in number order then some of the plot holes will be even more glaring.
Darth Vader not recognizing the droids (one his childhood companion, the other his painstaking labour of love) for example. It would surely be maddeningly obvious while you were watching it that it made no sense to the point of ruining the (better) films.
In release order it is something you would ponder after the fact. Or after more viewings.
Of course, it's also one of the most well known plot twists and movie lines: "I am your father". What are the chances the movie will be spoiled before he even gets to that part...
My vote is for release date.
1) The artistic vision/plot cohesion reason. Sure we just notice the plot holes (and the tweaks done to the earlier movies, which are from a certain valid perspective unforgivable), but to a first-time viewer, those may well be quibbles, and a larger truth/beauty may emerge experiencing the movies "as they were meant to" be experienced.
2) The child viewer reason. I'd say the narrative weaknesses and relative crapiness of episodes I - III are unlikely to be noticed by kids, who lack the jadedness and high expectations that we carried to these films. Plus the eye-candy factor will draw them into story.
What this really calls for is a study -- show half a group of kids the films in one order, the other in the other order, and ask them when they get older how powerful an experience was.
Just show him the seven samurais (six times if you really want six movies)
...mesmerized indeed.
The rest suck.
But consider saving the experience of your son's first viewing for the big screen. As a seven year old, I remember the absolute thrill of a 25 foot tall Star Wars logo creeping back into space accompanied by that overwhelming orchestral score. There must be revivals in New York once in a while, yeah?
Actually, I guess I do have a preference for order: Show him Episodes 4 and 5 together and let him know that "They find Han - he was ok." Leave it at that. Let him experience the later disappointments as we did - all grown up.
and go see them at a revival festival in a real movie theatre
If he sees how much the first three movies sucked he'll have no incentive to watch Episodes IV, V and VI. Think of the generation gap that will ensue.
We have a 6 month old who often sits in our laps while we watch movies on a projector. He seems to enjoy them.
There is simply no question that you should watch them in the original release date order.
And you might even consider not showing the prequels. They add little, and literally demystify the force.
i started with my two daughters when they oldest was 7 and the other was 4 [and when my wife was away for the weekend...]
incidentally, all their neighborhood friends were amazed they got to watch them and i was known as the cool dad....
Obviously, this opens up the door for you to practice fun social experiments on Ollie. How would the whole Star Wars experience be altered for him if he were to view the movies in narrative order? Would it make the whole thing better? Would it ruin the whole thing for him, or improve it? Would he walk away from the whole thing saying, "Meh, I don't see what the big deal is."
Personally, I suggest you show him Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi, and then let him choose to watch the last three on his own. View it as a rite of passage; something your son must choose to finish for himself.
Also, my experience is that most adults, even if they have never seen the movies, already know all about the Luke - Vader relationship... if only from overhearing some geek huskily declare, "Luke... I am your father."
I also agree that you shouldn't bother with I-III.
Kids now can see all these Star Wars cartoons and comics as well. They're already exposed to the idea of Anikan as a kid and person (not as the evil Darth Vader) before they even get to the movies. They've already attached personalities and identities to many of the characters--something we didn't have growing up. It can get a little confusing for them with all the jumping back in forth in time and the relationship between Anikan - Darth Vader - Luke.
The "original theatrical" versions that came out on DVD this year are good and will probably be a better bet than hoping VHS and VCR last another half-decade or so.
That said, I'm not giving up my VHS copy any time soon. My dad still has a Laserdisc player and tons of classics -- including the original three Star Wars -- stashed away.
I've found that episode one really appeals to children - with Jar Jar and little Anakin, but episode three is really graphic for a little kid to handle. So beginning with 4 through 6 is nice because they can see all three with no fear of bad nightmares. If you start with 1 and go through that way, you've got to cover their eyes during a lot of episode 3. One of my kids freaked out about Darth Maul too, but all kids are different in what they handle...
I would also recommend getting them all the DK books on Star Wars - they are amazingly detailed and just right for a kid to learn all the trivia and vocabulary that any up and coming child of a Gen-X-er needs.
"Star Wars" is the film that works the best for a naive audience. It's completely self-contained, while "The Phantom Menace" most certainly is not. And it's the most iconic story. Also, nobody gets cut in half -- besides Obi-Wan, whose body vanishes, which makes it the least violent and least traumatic film in the series.
The first trilogy, also, tells a chronologically tighter story. There are gaps between the films, but they aren't decades-long. None of the actors change, and their behavior isn't radically different -- except perhaps Luke in "Jedi."
But I think the prequels have some value. For one thing, they really do answer a lot of questions, and small children have lots of questions. Also, while my son's heart belongs to Han Solo, for Halloween this year he's dressing up as "young Obi-wan."
Like other films that play with timeline continuity, the story works quite well in the order they were released (plot holes not withstanding) regardless how crappy/awesome each film was.
I'm thinking of it not just as 6 movies, but one entire experience with its own emotional arc. It's kind of liking making a songlist or a concert program, or planning a book or conference or whatever. Intro and conclusion generally go at beginning and end. But you wouldn't line up 5 hours of consecutive garbage, right?
Particularly the 'first' movie, the love story of Clones is basically beyond redemption.
Google is your friend.
1. The first three are terrible, and shouldn't be watched.
2. Kids may not know this, and may be sucked in to the splashy effects and violence, leaving them unable to appreciate the slower-paced original trilogy.
:)
for the record i'd have say 1,2,3,4,5,6.
And George Lucas can BITE ME.
That is all.
Maybe if you want a kid to get a visceral thrill from watching Star Wars, the best thing to do is to ban the movies completely, and let him sneak around and watch them behind your parental back. After that, you can reveal your master plan with a big confrontation: "Now you know the truth, my son."
If nothing else, you'll have a great little sociological experiment to observe.
I'd be hesitant to blaze through all three of those in a short span of time - I'd be more inclined to try to show one, then re-watch that one a few times before moving on to the next one. Maybe show the three of them over a six-week timespan, one every two weeks. Make each next film an event with anticipation.
Not sure if that'd work, though - I woudn't be surprised to hear a "Not that one again I want to know what happens next!" response.
As for the prequels, I'm torn. Definitely not for a while, if at all. They're in line with the Star Wars Holiday Special, in my view, and that's definitely not for impressionable young eyes.
I mean, muppets and plastic models? Kids will be getting better special effects, acting, and story lines on their gaming systems in a few years.
I'm going with original release order. As someone above said, ANH is pretty self-contained and can be appreciated by anyone at virtually any age. If she likes that one, we'll move on from there, then go back to watch the Prequels if she wants to. Honestly, I can make a case for not even bothering with them.
If she doesn't like ANH, I will put her up for adoption immediately.
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Also, try to prepare yourself for your child not liking it that much. I equate it to when I heard the Beattles -- everything has been so influenced by them, that hearing them now doesn't recreate what it like for people hearing it when it happened.
If Lucas knows one thing, he knows how to make money. I'm sure within the next couple years he'll release the movies on a high-def format and in both the original theatrical version and the updated version. Personally I want to see the original theatrical version in high def. That would be close to nirvana.
A New Hope, Empire, Phantom Menace, Clones, Sith, Jedi.
This way, they still get the Luke/Vader shock, but they can have the Vader backstory before the redemption.
This will save the "omgwtf" element of empire for them (unless they are spoiled early), will still include the new 3 for completeness's sake (and maybe increased interest after empire will be enough to survive phantom), and still close out at the end of the whole mess.
It's tempting to fall into the trap of thinking that, as the first generation to be raised on Star Wars, we have some sort of "ownership" or "rights" to the series. However, they were and are movies that are marketed to children, and as such as each generation of viewers will interpret them differently. There are many little kids alive today who saw and loved the prequels and have no idea that episodes IV to VI even exist . (One of the saddest things I've ever seen was in the lobby after Phantom Menace - as the theater emptied, a guy in his late twenties tried to explain to a seven-year-old how much the movie stank. The seven-year-old was visibly thrilled at what he'd just seen and couldn't have cared less about the opinion of some adult who couldn't see the appeal of a space opera. That just made the twenty-something even angrier.)
The fact that we as adults still cling to the Star Wars films as important cultural and personal milestones makes no difference to children seeing the prequels today, nor will it make any difference to children in the future. Attempting to instill nerd-angst in those younger than us isn't just cruel, it's downright irresponsible. Let them make their own discoveries and come to their own opinions.
I've been considering the following:
4, 5 - "I'm your father!" (What? Let's go back and see how this happened...)
1, 2, 3 (Ah, ok, that's how it happened, how does it end?)
6!
doubt me? When I was a kid, I got bored real quick watching John Wayne and Gene Autry movies every weekend. While I can appreciate it now, whatever you force on a kid is going to backfire. That's parenting 101.
You have to preserve the Vader's reveal to Luke in "Empire". And, I think, you also need to end with Vader's redemption. As I much as I like "Sith", it's a crummy way to wrap up the series from a plot perspective.
The way I always worked it out was like this:
4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
Both of these ways preserve the surprises, and Episode VI still provides closure.
While they maybe one of my favorite sets of movies of all time, I remember that it is just that, just a bunch of movies so it doesn't really mean all that much in the Grand Scheme of things which order she sees them. After two hours of passive entertainment, any healthy kid needs to run off and do what they do best, engage their very active imagination in playtime.
ANH, ESB, ROTJ and that's it. He's on his own to watch 1-3. haha
You show them by release date, and the original versions of the first 3 first. That way, your newborn sees the movies as we saw and understood them. Then show the next 3 movies so, like us, all of our questions are answered.
If then your child needs to see them in intra-movie chronology, you can show them 4, 5, 6 followed by the updated 1, 2 & 3.
I can still remember the impact of seeing the originals when I was 10 years old in the United Artists Theater in Oakbrook IL (sadly no longer there...). My eyes glaze over again just thinking about it. Wish I could show my kids the same way.
Both of my sons have read a couple of the children's books but not seen the films yet. Next month for Ian's birthday (the oldest) we will be watching Star Wars for the first time. (Josiah's still too young for it.) We're both very excited. And we'll allow for some time in between the next two installments. Gotta savor each story... let it sink in.
Can't wait till they're old enough for Bladerunner!
Thank goodness Lucas doesn't appear to be making movies anymore, he's got a bad lack of anyone near him who can say, "George, that's a really terrible idea."
Narratively, I think showing him I-VI is a better idea. You can point out the glimpses of the Death Star in II and III. You can delight in seeing Yoda come back again after being gone for an episode. You can build up the Emperor as the true villain, who rises in I, is mostly hidden in II, shows himself in III, isn't seen in IV, only appears briefly in V, then is defeated in VI. You also get to see how the different mentors try and fail their Padawans (Gui-Gon dies, the Jedi can't guide Anakin, the Emperor takes him under his wing and is reveals to be evil, Obi-Wan dies, Yoda dies, Luke ascends on his own.)
While Phantom Menace may be kid-friendly with Jar Jar and the comical battle droids, IV-VI give you Chewie, and VI gives you Ewoks, with whom kids identify strongly.
The best compromise: IV-VI, I-III, then IV-VI again. Go out on the high note of Jedi rather than the low note of Sith.
Ultimately, it's intra-movie chronology, but the break means that by the time the child returns (maturer, more able to grasp real plot devices), they will have only a shadow of the earlier movies on their minds, and Ben's story will seem like a long time away.
And they can always watch it differently later. 4 5 1 2 3 6 is way too long a "flashback" sequence.
Original release order (OF COURSE!!!!), and the original releases of the first three, if you've got 'em (the fancied up versions can wait).
Personally, I'd stop at Empire, but that's just me. I've never been able to get through any of the 'prequels', although my kids love them, and I could live happy without ever seeing Ewoks again.
Seeing as how that probably would turn out badly for your relationship, the lying and the box, I'd go with watching them in the order of theatrical release date, but this is, like you mentioned, because that's how I experienced them, and I'd want to share that with my child.
A lot of it has to do with the goal I suppose. If you're shooting for a seamless narrative experience then 1-6 would be the way to go. If you're looking to create an appreciation for film's power to inspire and entertain then viewing by the release date would be more appropriate.
You could also relinquish the responsibility entirely and let your kid pick which ones to watch based solely on their preferred DVD cover, or better yet, preferred movie poster.
Oh and grainy VHS is definitely the way to go for 456. The artwork on the boxes is perfect!
leaves a little cliffhanger
saves the best till last
allows for viewing of all of the films
As far as I am concerned, each additional chapter to the story further undoes the magic of the original. The completion of the first trilogy transforms a story of normal people becoming heroes in extraordinary circumstances into a story of a superpowered aristocracy.
By the end of the second trilogy, the whole set of movies ends up being a story about the very banal bad guy.
Don't abuse your child with the bloody prequels, for heaven's sake.
Soulless, mindless toy commercials, they. ("Midichlorians" alone ruins the original trilogy, not to mention the revelation that Darth Vader is merely a whiny, stupid brat.)
At the age of 5 my son had only seen 1. Honestly he liked it a lot because it has a child in it that he can relate to which was an interesting view and interesting to watch.
He experienced 1,2,3,4,5 and 6 via playing the Lego Star Wars Games with me. This was also very interesting and it made it some of the harder parts for a child (Vader in the Lava) very abstract.
At 6 now, we introduced 4, 5 and 2. Next time he asks we will add 6. The last will be 3. Honestly it's less of a which order I want to show them but, which order will NOT keep me awake with nighmares.
I'd never planned it this way but life just sometime decides for you. The biggest thing I have tried not to do is influence his view on any of the movies. He needs to make that call.
You can watch Sith without Phantom and Clones and it would still have the same impact. Phantom and Clones are completely worthless in building the story of Darth Vader.
For a small child, the special effects in 123 are so much better that 456 will seem boring by comparison.
Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
The end.
These two films are full of imagination, and end with a cliffhanger that you can complete on your own better than Lucas did. And why would you want to spoil everything by watching the first three films. (Er, last three?)
Just watch SW & TESB
http://www.progressions.org/blog/2007/05/how-to-watch-star-wars.html
Episode 4
Episode 5
Episodes 1, 2, 3
Episode 6
It starts the way it was meant to, Vader drops the "I'm your father" bomb, then you flashback and get the whole story about why that matters.
Then come back and watch the Empire get defeated and Anakin Skywalker redeemed.
It's perfect!
Force him to watch 1 2 3, and pretend that they are the best of the bunch. Hopefully he will be so turned off that he won't be interested in watching 4-6, until someone convinces him to do so years later, when he is 30 or so, and capable of appreciating the classics.
You will have some explaining to do, but it will be worth it.
Maybe your kid will start by seeing something on HBO or regular TV, and let it grow from there.
My daughter is 14 now, and she grew up with the recent three films. I think we watched 4,5 and 6 after she saw 1. But then we've gone back and watched 4, 5 and 6 after 2 and after 3. It just happened that way with no planning.
I kind of agree most with Mark Larson's "hypertextual" arguement. The interplay of the mythic and symbolic figures in any of the movies or even the cartoons or books works in any order. Let it evolve for your kid like it evolved for you. Trust the times.
My daughter loves fantasy and scifi, and she's everything perfect a geek dad could hope from a daughter in terms of her coolness factor.
I'm glad I didn't try to control her experience of Star Wars.
so came the task of me trying to figure out how she would watch the films. it was decided that she would watch 4. 5 and 6 and then three. she really didn't have to bother with 1 and 2 as they really hold no appeal for a first time viewer. and then if she felt like it, could catch up with them later.
Actually, don't even bother showing the prequels. Please...? They sucked. If no one shows them to their kids, then we can all just pretend that the prequels never existed.
After watching 4,5 & 6, you go "This is a story about Luke Skywalker."
Then, after watching 1, 2 & 3 you realize that the entire story, from 1 to 6, was about Anakin's fall from grace and redemption. Luke was just a side character.
It's neat.
You could probably play Lego Star Wars Adventure with him before watching any of the movies.
"5"
IV
V
VI
Like shampoo, repeat if necessary for the next 35 years.
As a precaution, burn all accessible copies of I, II, and III and never speak of them to your children or grandchildren. If he or she accidentally sees them at a friend's house, tell them that they were made by a crazy person who, like Vader, became so obsessed with his own power that he became accountable to no one. It wouldn't be a lie.
If the child becomes enough of a fan you can then have a discussion as to the relative merits of the other 3 and let them decide for themselves. Ask questions like "what do you think Darth Vader was like at your age?". If they think he was a whiny annoying twat then, well that probably raises more questions about your kid than anything.
Alternatively you could just show them I, II and III either before or after and then be prepared to reconsider how much you love them based on their reaction. If they really enjoy them then they don't deserve the originals. If they hate them then you've probably ruined the series.
I suppose it depends on the children.
It's got something to do with the mystery of it all and the establishment of the story. I find that prequels work best as prequels. For instance, who wants to watch "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" before "Raiders of the Lost Ark"? (For the record, I think "Temple of Doom" is a great movie in the vein of "Gunga Din," etc. It's just not as good as the others. How I got on this tangent I don't know.) "Raiders" is where it all begins.
As to the second, prequel, trilogy, I would suggest not screening them at all, ever, because they never had any magic to begin with. Better to let him remain blissfully unaware until he runs across a rumor or random internet page, and let him broach the subject - the same as telling him he'd been adopted.
Also, certain other characters like Obi-Wan, R2D2, Palpatine, and Boba Fett have much more resonance in the numbered order.
It's a different story arc for a different generation - a double-decker Hero's journey that explores the dark side before it explores the light. And, it allows good to win out in the end. A little heavy for a six-year-old, but a powerful epic if you can stand to spread them out over a few years.
(That said, I personally have to agree with the majority here - the prequels work best *as* prequels, not as the actual start of the story. Also, effects aside, it's jarring to see the modern acting/pacing first. Although, the 4-5, 1-2, 3/6 version is also cool.)
- the new ones LOOK better (better visuals) so for a kid, watching the old ones after the new ones will be painfully ugly. As people who saw the old 3 before the new 3 we think the old 3 are completely better, but we base that decision not on action or visuals, but solely on story, dialogue and acting... things that are sometimes less important to a kid.
- as much as the story is suppose to go new then old... in reality since the new where made later they become even stupider if you don't know that the kid will become Vader and knowing that Vader is Luck's father ruines the old 3 as well.
and let me also argue against the person who thinks we only like these movies because we saw them originally at 10 years old (or whatever) -- I recently saw the original Star Wars for only my second time, and was struck that it aged better than most movies, and was, in fact, completely gripping and entertaining all the way through. you might be surprised to find the same (ifyou can ignore all the drek made since).
And definitely not the special editions, but VHS is unneccesary.
Now that the unaltered trilogy has been finally released on DVD (in laserdisc-quality, but I digress), that's the best way to go. (Of course, Lucas has screwed everybody over by bundling the unaltered discs as a "bonus" with the individual special edition discs that everybody already has, but there are a torrent of ways to get around that.)
So, where does the age line fall?
>12 years old = Show movies by original release date*
*This approach should, as mentioned above, come with the choice of opting out of seeing 1, 2, or 3 at all.
I think the way to go is something like this:
Age 6 - Let them watch Episode 1
Age 7 - Let them watch Episode 2
Age 8 or 9 - Let them watch Episode 3
Then let them watch episodes 4, 5, and 6 whenever.
My key pieces of reasoning here:
1. Episode 1 is extremely well-suited to young kids. It has less violence, and more simple and childish humor, than all the other episodes. I'd feel comfortable letting the kid watch this one earlier than the rest.
2. While Ep1 is the most suitable for a young kid, Ep3 is possibly the least suitable (Anakin is basically broiled alive onscreen). So I would let the kid get a bit older before exposing them to this one.
3. The most important reason is that the prequels have many flaws, which a young kid fortunately won't notice; while the classic trilogy has many great moments and subtleties, which the young kid unfortunately ALSO won't notice. It's a "pearls before swine" situation: a kid grows less and less of a swine over time (in terms of being able to comprehend and appreciate good films). So, give them the day-old hamburger when they're young (they'll be happy with it, and won't notice that foul aftertaste); and later, when they're more able to appreciate it, THEN give them the filet mignon (i.e. the classic trilogy). It's a win-win.
You know, if that's important to you. :)
Just prepare yourself for the possibility that your child might not revere the experience as much as you do, no matter the order. He might think it's just a crappy movie with poor graphics (compared to what's available even in kids movies these days). Sometimes, kids just don't get what the big deal is about something their parents love. But for the sake of the world and your sanity, I hope they do!
As for the answer to the question, I agree with Stanley, just above my answer.
This year I'm buying DVD releases of Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith for them, and will insist that there are five movies in the series. Two of my kids are getting a Star Wars DVD, but my third child is not. I just can't.
Of course, they've repaid me by picking different favorites. My nine-year-old loves Revenge of the Sith and says The Empire Strikes Back is her least-favorite. (Life a knife in the back!) My six-year-old prefers Return of the Jedi over all; at least he chose the correct trilogy, though the weakest of the three. My eight-year-old does best, choosing A New Hope, then The Empire Strikes Back, and then some mish-mash of prequels and so on.
By the way, my six-year-old fixates on Jabba. Loves him. It's weird.
Crazy.
I definitely think release date order, for reasons already stated, and because if you've already seen the first three, when you watch the pre-quels you sort of know what's going to happen, and it makes your heart tug for little skywalker.
I disagree with Stanley. If we can't force our children though experiences, why on earth have kids? (what? I'm kidding!)
The idea of watching 4 and 5, then 1, 2 and 3 for the Vader backstory, then 6 is intriguing, though. 4536 is also interesting, as 1 and 2 serve little to no purpose in explaining anything about the story, and it's probably best not to mess up the memories of 4 and 5 with too much awfulness.
I can see the rationale in watching 1 first, alone, for the kid-friendly elements. If I recall correctly (and I haven't seen it in MANY years, so I may not), 1 is a stand-alone movie similar to 4. In that case, I would probably have them watch 1 when they are too young to really think about it and can fixate only on the silly or juvenile elements like Jar-Jar and Anakin's pod race, then wait until they were older and watch 4, 5 and 6 when they could be fully appreciated.
Start with Episode 4 -- just like we all did as kids. Caveat: Every time he watched it one of us was with him to either answer his questions or act as a body to hide behind during the rough parts. (Darth Vader will scare the bejeezus out of him for a while.)
Let your child take the lead on when to view 5 and 6. Then, 1 and 2, since by age five they can easily understand the concept of things happening in the past. Truth be told, we haven't let him see Episode 3 yet -- it's WAY too graphic and violent, in my opinion. Maybe in a couple years. When he struggles with the narrative gap in the Annakin-to-Darth transformation process, we just say Annakin was unable to stay a good Jedi and he gave into his Dark Side and became Darth Vader. And for now, that's enough.
A bit more on the subject here: http://doubledutydiary.blogspot.com/2006/03/still-on-mend.html
...should ollie's experience mirror yours (ours?) or be unique to his time?
...there's a great opportunity for compassion, adjusting judgments based on new information in the 4-5-6-1-2-3 order
...until 1-2-3, and is many ways, still today, Darth Vadar is a penultimate bad guy. If seen 1-2-3-4-5-6, he's not soooo bad.
...1-2-3-4-5-6 is the storyline...how faithful to the story do we need to be?
...the storyteller, meanwhile, decided to the tell the story 4-5-6-1-2-3...how faithful to the storyteller do we need to be?
the discs were out when my guy was five...an age WAY to young to see any of it [7-9 depending...though i think ollie is going to be way ahead of the curve]...still, at a friends house, 4 was shown and it took over his imagination...we were beholden to 456123...he's 7 and lost to The Lord of Rings (thanks again, friends house, thanks!). This Halloween, he's going as Aragorn. Aim high, baby, aim high.
part of the whole experience of being a star wars fan was the huge disappointment that episode I was. I'm not sure that the years I had to wait to be let down like that can be achieved in the 5 min it takes to switch the dvds out, but I bet your son will still think EP I sucks so he'll get some of it.
The other thing too is the small reward of piecing the last three together with the references in the first three. And come on. Ewan was a great Obi won, he saved those movies. I'm not sticking up for them, but they are part of the authentic experience that is SW fandom.
Cheers.
4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6
turns the prequels into a really long flashback, preserves the plot twists in 4 and 5, and really drags out one's worry about han.
Also, the dislike of digitally enhanced versions isn't justified when you actually have absolutely no nostalgic feelings about those dusty VHS tapes. As long as Han shoots first, any version is fine.
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
I know what you're thinking: "you forgot Phantom Menace." I didn't, but I'm trying to.
I think the reason is that Star Wars was a one-off movie that became a huge unexpected hit and George Lucas pulled the rest of the movies out of his ass. That's my theory, anyway.
There are too many inconsistencies and plot holes for me to believe Lucas planned the whole saga from the beginning. (Back then he even claimed it would be a trilogy of trilogies, but I don't believe him.) There's Luke-Leia romantic tension in the first movie, then they're brother-and-sister in the second one. Darth Vader is a total badass in the first and second movies and a creampuff in the third movie. Return of the Jedi is also inconsistent with tone consider the creepy Jawas of the first movie versus the buy-the-plush-toy-in-the-lobby cute Ewoks in Jedi. They blew up the Death Star--let's build...a Death Star!
Those may be relatively minor, but there are huge inconsistencies between the first and second trilogies, some of which have already been mentioned (like Vader forgetting the droids). The Force goes from being mystical to something you can detect in a blood test. R2D2 forgets all about being able to fly and shoot frickin' laser beams. There's an incredibly massive unexplained dropoff in technology in the time between the second and first trilogies chronologically.
Also, Star Wars was just "Star Wars" when it came out. "Episode 4" was tacked on later.
So I recommend 4, 5, and a just-the-good-parts edit of 6.
(By the way, the same theory explains why the last to Matrix movies sucked.)
4, 5, 6 (1 month pause)
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
I watched all six episodes in a row on the first day it was possible to do so, and I was surprised to find that episodes 4, 5, and 6 are thoroughly enhanced by the same-day viewing of 1, 2, and 3. The transition between episodes 3 and 4 is especially great. As bad as the acting was in the prequels, the major plot points are really wonderful and add an amazing amount of dimension to the original trilogy.
I decided to introduce them to 4, 5, 6 and stop there.
If they venture into 1, 2, 3 on their own, then so be it, but I don't want that on my conscious.
I will say from their perspective they pretty much could care less about Star Wars vs Nemo, Monsters Inc and Cars.
I asked her what she thought of them because I had never heard what someone who had only seen them in that order thought of them. Her response was that she thought they pretty much sucked. She said that when she learned that they didn't come out in that order, she watched the original trilogy by itself and thought it was much better.
My kid will never see I, II, and III unless she does it of her own accord. So far, she's only seen ANH, and really seemed to like it. She seems to love R2.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1558880,00.html?print
Not bad. He has some good insights and it is pretty well written. Could shed some light on the discussion here.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20014200,00.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20047986,00.html
Have a week off a show them Blade Runner
5 year old watched "Star Wars" on Saturday, with Grandpa. Clueless Grandma when asked to "pick up the next one" rented Episode II.
We are dealing with a very confused little man.
In the prequels Palpatine looks ridiculous. I mean, totally ridiculous. I don't know who they got to do make up, but he's basically a bad latex mask representation of his former(?) self.
In the original trilogy Palpatine is downright terrifying: shadowed, hooded, evil. In the prequel trilogy he looks like a preschool art project.
That's all I need to convince me.
That being said, IV-V-VI is the classic, important cinema experience. I know so many twentysomethings who think Star Wars sucks because Jar Jar Binks is a part of Star Wars for them. Also, Episode III has only been seen by my boys over 11. It's too dark for the younger ones. Anakin striding into the temple killing children is too upsetting.
There no doubt in my mind, for many reasons, release order. And stop at the original trilogy unless they ask to see more.
Oh, and one more thing - Original Theatrical Release. Han the rouge is redeemed in the end. We know he's a rouge because he's willing to shoot first in the cantina. Making Greedo shoot first means there's no need to redeem the character.
I figure we'll get around to the three prequels later in his life, too. Right now, he's very much in to the Galactic Heroes series of Star Wars figures, and when we get around to setting up his new room, he says he wants it all done in a Star Wars theme.
I'm so happy, I think I might cry...
A few commenters have mentioned viewing the movies on the big screen, and I confess, I've seriously considered inquiring as to the cost of renting out a theater for the boy's sixth birthday (my age when I saw the first film), and showing the original Star Wars, but I'm sure there are copyright/licensing issues involved in doing that beyond the rental fees.
That, or, only show A New Hope and Empire. Leave everything else out. Say, "This is Star Wars. Now buck up kid, cause life's tough, and there's a lot of shit out there."
They knew Darth Vader was Luke's father because they live in the world. They knew Vader not as DARTH VADER but as Anakin. Of course, they were old enough to collect all the Star Wars toys back in 2005 at Burger King (this is how they came to be interested in the story in the first place, and of course, their parents fed the obsession). So they knew of the prequel characters even though they didn't know the story -- and they asked lots of questions, so we gave vague answers. (No midichlorions appear in our version of events.)
Their childhood fondness for Anakin/Vader was deeply weird, because they CRIED WHEN HE DIED. They were also devastated when he let Luke suffer under the force lightening. How could Annakin do such a thing?
It was just -- weird. Very, very weird. Especially because, at the time, they hadn't even seen the prequels.
They saw Episode I this summer because we couldn't take the pestering anymore. On first viewing, they all three announced "this is boring." They've asked to see it three more times, though. They have a painfully age-appropriate fondness for Jar-Jar.
They've asked to see 2 and 3 but we haven't succumbed yet.
I doubt they'd have asked to see the movies if we, the parents, hadn't been interested, but their affection is genuine and it's a delight to watch the original 3 movies with them. I hope the IMAX versions are still possible someday, because I'd love for them to see them in large-screen.
Oh, and we showed them the original releases (not the special editions), first by using old VHS tapes and then by buying the new DVDs. But again, they have bad taste and really enjoy the new releases, too. Damn their ability to read the DVD boxes....
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